NEW YORK, NY.- In a more just world, Mahershala Ali, one of America’s most gifted actors, would have played the lead in at least a dozen films by now.

He has certainly paid his dues and then some. Over the past two decades, the 47-year-old actor has starred or played key roles in prestige series (HBO’s “True Detective”), sci-fi franchises (“The Hunger Games”) and network-defining political thrillers (Netflix’s “House of Cards”). In 2017, he won his first Academy Award for his performance in “Moonlight,” a master class in what you can do with just 20 minutes or so of screen time, and a second Oscar two years later, for his performance in “Green Book.”

So it may come as a shock to learn that Ali has never played the lead role in a feature film before, not until his star turn in the sci-fi drama “Swan Song,” now streaming on Apple TV+.

“I always felt like a bit of a late bloomer,” Ali said.

On a recent morning, in a wide-ranging video interview from his home in the San Francisco Bay Area, Ali, dressed in a black jacket over a crisp white Team Ikuzawa T-shirt, talked about “Swan Song,” the debut feature from Irish director Benjamin Cleary.

As if to make up for lost time, Ali plays not just one main character in the sci-fi drama, but two: Cameron, a terminally ill husband and father of a 5-year-old son; and Jack, the perfect clone of himself — complete with every one of his memories — who, unbeknown to Cameron’s wife and child, will soon replace him in order to spare them the grief and pain of having to watch him die. In several scenes, Ali shares the stage with Ali, with only himself to play against. “It was fun after it was hard,” he said with a laugh. “Fun after you move through the hard.”

It was a winding life journey that took him to “Swan Song,” with stops and starts and moments of doubt along the way. Like the time he was in his second year of New York University’s prestigious graduate acting program and considered ditching it all to go back to working as a deckhand in San Francisco. “I was still in the union,” he said, “and it’s good money.”

Or another time, in the middle of his acting career, when he took off a year and a half to care for his ailing grandfather. “He had a stroke in 2010, and I kind of dropped everything,” he said. “I was living in Las Vegas and taking care of him, just me and my grandma.”

And there were other reasons that the actor is only now playing his first film lead. The industry was a lot different back when he was coming up, he explained — more stratified between movies and series, which made feature-film roles, let alone feature-film leads, tougher for TV actors such as himself to come by. Those who started in TV were seen as TV actors only, and so his aim was just to be the best TV actor he could be. He was well into the third season of his third series, “The 4400,” before he was finally called on to “step on Brad Pitt’s character” (a monstrous child whom Ali’s character literally stumbles upon at a nursing home) in “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.”

Other film roles followed — in “The Place Beyond the Pines,” “The Hunger Games” and, in 2016, “Moonlight” — but no leads.

Around the time “Moonlight” was released, a writer for The New York Times conceded that Ali’s rise, unlike those of some of his peers, “has not been meteoric.”




“When I look at my trajectory, my start was a little slow, if you think about where I am at the moment,” Ali said.

Even so, many of the supporting roles he was getting were ones any actor would kill for, such as Juan in “Moonlight,” a hard-on-the-surface dope dealer bursting with love for his young charge. “I hadn’t seen that character,” he said. Or Don Shirley, an African American pianist in the biopic “Green Book” who hired an Italian American bouncer, played by Viggo Mortensen, to serve as his valet in the Deep South. “He was the most gracious type of rebellious you could be,” Ali said of the musician. “Somebody who was so smart and cunning and found a way to buck the system by hiring a white guy to carry his bags in and out of a hotel, and be his bodyguard, in 1962? I thought that was genius.”

“Swan Song” came to Ali in 2019, after he read the script and asked to meet with Cleary, its writer. Cleary had won an Oscar for his 2015 short film, “Stutterer,” but had never directed a feature film before. After a single “really great conversation” between the two, Ali said yes to the project. “It was one of the most beautiful moments of my life,” Cleary recalled.

Scoring Ali in the lead made the rest of the casting process exponentially easier. “Every actor wants to work with Mahershala,” Cleary said.

Naomie Harris (“Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom,” “No Time to Die”), who first met Ali while working together on “Moonlight,” was cast as Poppy Turner, Cameron’s wife. “I worked on ‘Moonlight’ for three days, and with Mahershala for maybe about a day and a half,” she said. “But then we spent seven months promoting the movie, and that’s when we really got to know each other.”

With the added luxury of time on “Swan Song,” Harris discovered that she and Ali approached acting in very similar ways. “We both really don’t like rehearsals,” she said. “We just like to do our own work on our own, and then dive in and see what happens in the moment. A lot of actors don’t actually like to work like that, so it was just a blessing that he likes to work in exactly the same way.”

Awkwafina (“Crazy Rich Asians,” “The Farewell”) was cast as Kate, a fellow patient whom Cameron befriends during the cloning process. Like Cameron, Kate is dying, and creates a clone to care for her mother and young daughter. “This specific experience was very intense for me, because I lost my mother at a very young age,” she said. “It put me in a very weird kind of mind space.”

Given the subject matter, it helped Awkwafina to have Ali as a steady presence on the set — even if he was also playing a character who was wrestling with the awful prospect of not being able to say goodbye to loved ones and dying alone. “He’s a really powerful actor, but he also has a really calming energy as a scene partner,” she said. “It was probably one of the best experiences I’ve had on a set.”

Ali’s performance in “Swan Song” has already garnered rave reviews. (The Times praised his “focus and presence” and “incredibly fine-tuned talents.”) And not surprisingly, there are several other leading roles in the works. In the coming months, he’ll be working on a biopic about legendary boxer Jack Johnson, whose story inspired the classic 1970 film “The Great White Hope,” which starred James Earl Jones; as well as an adaptation of Rumaan Alam’s 2020 novel, “Leave the World Behind,” in which Ali will star alongside Julia Roberts and Ethan Hawke.

And then there’s his starring role in the forthcoming and highly anticipated Marvel Comics film “Blade,” which was teased in the closing credits of “Eternals”; Ali, though, would not say a single thing about it because Marvel won’t let him. “It’s kind of like when a woman is in her first trimester,” he said.

So will all of these leading roles be somehow sweeter because of the wait?

“It never happens for some people, you know,” he said. “And so when I look at it, I will accept and embrace that it’s taken 21 years to happen.” He added that all along, he tried to use every moment on set or on screen as a learning opportunity. “I think things have happened in their right time for me.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.