NEW YORK, NY.- The day she turned 60, the artist and musician Kim Gordon felt, by her own admission, shipwrecked.
She had recently gone through a painfully high-profile divorce from her husband of 27 years, Thurston Moore, and in the wake of their split, their band Sonic Youth the freewheeling and fearlessly experimental group that almost single-handedly defined the sound and ethos of American alternative rock ended its 30-year run. Plenty of people she loved attended her 60th birthday bash in New York, but she still felt unmoored.
Gordons 70th birthday party last year, though, was another story entirely.
For one thing, it was in Los Angeles, the city shed grown up in and returned to in 2015. But also, as Gordon explained on a video call from her book-strewn home in late February, it doubled as a celebration of finishing her second solo album, The Collective.
It was kind of great to have done that on my 70th birthday, she said and laughed from behind tinted sunglasses. Because Id actually worked that day and felt a finality to the project, it was really satisfying.
Not many artists welcome their 70s with a new album, and virtually none with a record as blistering and gloriously strange as The Collective, which has more in common with postmillennial SoundCloud rap than the dulcet tones of 21st-century indie-rock. (The title is partially inspired by Jennifer Egans novel The Candy House.) But left turns are business as usual for Gordon, a restlessly curious artistic polymath who has never settled for the conventional, expected or familiar.
Shes one of those people that was meant to be an artist, said musician Kathleen Hanna, who has known Gordon since the early 1990s. Painting, writing, music shes one of those people who was born to be around any kind of art.
Justin Raisen, the 41-year-old LA-based producer who worked with Gordon on The Collective, noted that Lots of careers go downhill with age, but there are also lots that go upward. He cited as examples David Bowie, Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave and Kim Gordon.
Raisen and Gordon make an odd pair. Last year, Gordon had a show of abstract paintings at the 303 Gallery in New York, while Raisen helped produce a track on Drakes album For All the Dogs. In conversation, she is as taciturn a woman of few words, Hanna said as he is chatty. And yet, the dynamic works.
I probably wouldnt have made a solo album if Justin hadnt bugged me to do it, Gordon said, referring to No Home Record, their first collaboration from 2019. Raisen told her he was excited to play The Collective for some of the rappers he knows, telling her, Its going to blow their minds.
Gordon said she doesnt listen to much contemporary hip-hop other than what Bill Nace, her bandmate in the improvisational duo Body/Head, sends her but shes long been influenced by rap music. Sonic Youths 1990 alt-rock hit Kool Thing was partially inspired by the collagelike sound of LL Cool Js debut album, Radio, and featured guest vocals from Chuck D, whose group Public Enemy had been recording its landmark Fear of a Black Planet while Sonic Youth was making Goo in the same studio. We really felt like there was a similarity, she said of the two groups densely layered recording processes.
Gordon wanted The Collective to be more beat-oriented than her previous album. I dont have a great singing voice, or Im not a natural singer," she said, so rhythm is one of the things that gets me inspired.
Gordon and Raisen met after his brother, Jeremiah, a music producer who makes beats under the name Sadpony, had a chance encounter with Gordon at an LA restaurant in 2015. He mentioned that his brother had recently worked on alt-pop star Sky Ferreiras acclaimed album Night Time, My Time.
I liked that record, but Im not normally impressed when I hear the word producer, Gordon said. My ears kind of close up.
When Raisen began sending her some tracks, Gordon was taken aback: Oh, he really gets my sensibility. She described that work with words she frequently uses as her highest artistic compliments: minimalist and trashy.
A process developed: Raisen sent Gordon tracks he thought would inspire, and she laid down vocals in his studio, later adding layers of distorted guitar and other effects. Gordon has a complicated relationship to the word musician, so Raisen has taken to calling her a noise designer. Shes really good at noise designing, he said.
Sadpony was visiting Raisen over Christmas when they created the foundation of what would become the new albums corrosively arresting lead single, Bye Bye. The pair had just been making beats intended for Playboi Carti, an iconoclastic rapper known for his musics rough edges and in-your-face attitude. When they finished this beat which begins with a loop that sounds like a cars seat-belt alarm and eventually ignites into a conflagration of synthesized chaos Raisen said he told his brother, I think this might be a little too wild for Playboi. But it could be cool for Kim.
It was. I thought it would be good to do mundane lyrics, Gordon said, as opposed to making it as intense as the instrumentation. The finished song finds her reciting a packing list in a rhythmic deadpan, giving the whole composition a hypnotic strangeness: Milk thistle, calcium, high-rise boot cut, Advil, black jeans, bluejeans, cardigan, purse, passport. Is this Gordons actual travel list? Kind of, but it was embellished, she said. I dont actually travel with milk thistle.
When Bye Bye was released in January, it resonated beyond Gordons usual fan base. The song has blown up on a certain corner of TikTok: One post that has been viewed 300,000 times shows a young, tattooed musician listening to Bye Bye in awe, with the caption, Kim Gordon just cured my fear of aging. Another popular post shows a man nodding along to the track; caption: Kim Gordon making this absolute banger at the age of 70.
What Kims doing is totally, absolutely normal. Whats not normal is when women or people who are marginalized in other ways have stopped making art for reasons having to do with ageism or sexism, Hanna, of the bands Bikini Kill and Le Tigre, said. Were not witnessing a miracle; were witnessing what happens when the thing thats supposed to happen is just allowed to happen.
Raisen sent Gordon those TikToks, and shes not sure what to make of them. It never occurred to me that I would be seen as cool because Im 70, she said with a dry laugh, considering that Im still waiting to feel like an adult in some ways.
But despite being roughly as synonymous with countercultural coolness as water is with wetness Gordon is still not quite used to being seen as cool, for any reason.
Honestly, I think if I really felt cool, she said, I would probably be a giant asshole.
ON A BITTER, rainy Sunday in late January, so early that most of New York was still sleeping off its Saturday night, Gordon arrived for coffee in a near-empty hotel cafe. She was bundled in a puffer jacket, but she said she didnt mind the weather: Sometimes too many sunny, 77-degree days in a row can be worse.
Gordon moved to Los Angeles when she was 5 her father was a sociology professor who took a job at UCLA and again when she was in her mid-60s. But she enjoys visiting New York a few times a year, especially to spend time with her 29-year-old daughter, Coco. (Gordon was partially in town to attend Cocos poetry reading.)
Coco is also the star of the first two music videos from The Collective, including a stylish clip directed by filmmaker Alex Ross Perry for the albums caustic second single, Im a Man. On that track, over a grinding drone, Gordon vamps in an exaggeratedly masculine persona: So what if I like the big truck?
Gordon said the song was inspired by people like Josh Hawley, referring to the Missouri senator, saying things like feminism has destroyed men and masculinity. I just thought that was so funny. My version is that capitalism and consumerism have destroyed masculinity.
Gordon has long had a way of sneaking cultural and political ideas into music without coming off as didactic or overly earnest. But no one who has paid close attention to her art would mistake her signature deadpan for apathy or nihilism. On Sonic Youths bracing 1985 album, Bad Moon Rising, when she bellowed, Support the power of women, she was almost daring the listener to disagree.
In the 90s, as Sonic Youth reached its commercial peak, she made feminism seem vital to the girls who idolized her while also managing to radicalize some of the boys who liked the band, too. (Raisen recalled that the first Sonic Youth song he fell in love with was the snarling 1992 track Swimsuit Issue, about an executive at the bands label who had sexually harassed his secretary.) As Gordon asked Chuck D on Kool Thing, one of the bands most popular songs, Are you gonna liberate us girls from male, white, corporate oppression?
Then and now, Gordons cultural critique has been grounded in a distaste for capitalism. But as a solo artist in the 2020s, she has found that musicians are often expected to have a sort of grinning reverence toward certain corporations and arms of the industry. Shes especially critical of streaming culture, which she believes has helped erode much of the community aspect of musical discovery and subcultures. Artists, too, are pressured to play along with smiles on their faces. But Gordon still knows how to say, in the refusenik words of Kool Thing, I dont wanna, I dont think so.
I think I was asked to do a shoutout at the end of the year, she said. I dont know if it was by Apple or Spotify or whatever. Like, Thank you for choosing my music, or something. She laughed. The example they sent was Taylor Swift, the most cheerful pro. I was like, Im not doing that.
IT HAS NOW been nearly 13 years since Gordon and Moore broke up or, to measure it in Sonic Youth terms, longer than the time between Goo and the bands post-9/11 landmark Murray Street. Some people have this Sonic Youth nostalgia, so they want to talk about him or the relationship, she said. But thats all just so in the past to me.
She and Moore are in touch only if something happens, but hopefully its cordial. Referring to his recently published Sonic Life: A Memoir, Gordon said, Im genuinely happy that he has his book out. When asked if shed read it, or if she planned to, she shook her head.
Im a slow reader, she said, choosing her words carefully. I have a lot of other books I have to read.
And, perhaps, to write. Next month, art-book imprint Karma will publish an unconventional collaboration between Gordon and her late brother, Keller, who died almost two years ago. A paranoid schizophrenic who was also a Shakespeare scholar, Kellers notebooks full of drawings, Cy Twombly-like scrawls and the occasional sonnet will be published in a volume that also features a moving essay Gordon wrote about him. I actually like writing a lot its maybe the thing I like the most, she said. Its just kind of good for my sanity.
She described her difficult but ultimately loving relationship with Keller in her 2015 memoir, Girl in a Band. He really did shape me so much, she said of her brother, in being mean to me or just having to prove myself in a certain way. I was never the writer. He was the writer.
But what Gordon has proved in this past decade is that her art, her life, her cool if shell forgive the word has never been contingent upon anyone else. With time, and through continued art-making, she has righted her own ship and pointed it once again in the direction of thrillingly uncharted waters.
Kim Gordon is kind of like a shark, in that she needs to keep swimming, Hanna said. She needs to keep making art. Its just who she is.
In our last conversation, Gordon said it had recently occurred to her that, despite their stylistic differences, there were parallels between the way she works on her solo albums and the way she worked with her former band.
In Sonic Youth, I basically ended up singing on the most abstract pieces, she said. Im kind of used to figuring out where to put vocals on beats. We would make those kinds of songs sitting together and jamming and arranging stuff, but ultimately it would be a piece of music that would pose a challenge. So I think that was good preparation for working this way.
She added, perhaps speaking about art as much as life itself, You have to kind of create what it is.
This article originally appeared in
The New York Times.